Hannity and Colmes. Colmes came out and called Laura Ingram out on ron paul, he defended Paul and everyone continues to claim that Paul is saying that "it is our fault" Again NO. he said that our policy contributed to it
So I am watching all the networks today and i stumbled onto foxNews at 6:45 PM eastern and saw the guliani responce to ron paul.
"Right now, we're building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting," Paul said in explaining his opposition to going to war in Iraq.
"They are delighted that we're over there because Usama bin Laden has said, 'I'm glad you're over on our sand because we can target you so much easier.' They have already now since that time they've killed 3,400 of our men and I don't think it was necessary," he continued.Paul was dead on with his assessment here. If we were not meddling in other countries affairs we would not have the animosity towards americans that we have now.
Giuliani than followed with
"That's really an extraordinary statement," Giuliani said, interrupting FOX News panelist Wendell Goler. "That's really an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of Sept. 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I have ever heard that before and I have heard some pretty absurd explanations for Sept. 11. I would ask the congressman withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that."
Giuliani was caught lying here, as shown in the 9/11 commission report, he has in fact heard this statement in the past. Paul did not back down, and for good reason.
Unlike Giuliani, the congressman from Texas has actually read the record. The 9-11 Commission report detailed how bin Laden had, in 1996, issued "his self-styled fatwa calling on Muslims to drive American soldiers out of Saudi Arabia" and identified that declaration and another in 1998 as part of "a long series" of statements objecting to U.S. military interventions in his native Saudi Arabia in particular and the Middle East in general. Statements from bin Laden and those associated with him prior to 9-11 consistently expressed anger with the U.S. military presence on the Arabian Peninsula, U.S. aggression against the Iraqi people and U.S. support of Isrial. The 9-11 Commission based its assessments on testimony from experts on terrorism and the Middle East.
"The 9-11 Commission based its assessments on testimony from experts on terrorism and the Middle East. Asked about the motivations of the terrorists, FBI Special Agent James Fitzgerald told the commission: "I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States. They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes, and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States."
As you can see Paul is the only candidate who knows what he is talking about. The others are just pandering.
Wednesday, May 16, 2007
G.O.P. Debate number 2
Ok well its 3AM and i need sleep but i took some photos that i think will end up changing so i leave them for your viewing pleasure on my picture site.
It is clear that Ron Paul is winning. Fox news does not give him credit of course.
Here are the comments from ABC in case they delete them, which i think they already have because there are only 14 posts
It is clear that Ron Paul is winning. Fox news does not give him credit of course.
Here are the comments from ABC in case they delete them, which i think they already have because there are only 14 posts
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Is this being braodcast on tv - and where
Posted by: jch | May 15, 2007 8:53:51 PM
Good to see abc is doing this
Posted by: handy-andy | May 15, 2007 9:17:13 PM
The moderators should ask why rudy had placed the emergency operations center in the world trade center after it was bombed
Posted by: lowT | May 15, 2007 9:24:39 PM
All candidates speak of winning the war in Iraq. Yet no one defines what exactly constitutes a win.
The question is - will they have to define what a "win" is to have a chance at winning the election
Posted by: hh | May 15, 2007 9:29:39 PM
I am talking about winning the war in Iraq. The White House has defined a win several times - and keeps changing the definitions. Should be expect anything different from this field of candidates?
Once out of Iraq we can then focus on fighting the never-ending battle on terror.
Posted by: hh | May 15, 2007 9:47:16 PM
The abortion debate is getting old. How many people vote on that issue alone?
Posted by: chotdog | May 15, 2007 9:58:19 PM
Wow, Ron Paul totally owned Giuliani! Giuliani thinks terrorists are attacking us because we are free? That's insane. Ron Paul taught him a thing or two about global politics and then he schooled Hannity after the debate. I thought Hannity was going to cry. The media can't spin this one for Giuliani. The people can see who won that debate.
Posted by: John | May 16, 2007 1:24:05 AM
Ron Paul was exactly right about why we're such a target for terrorists.
That's why he's winning all the polls.
Posted by: Chris | May 16, 2007 1:27:00 AM
The facsist dept of homeland security should be "spiked" as you put it.
Go Ron Paul! He was the only candidate up there who didnt seem as phoney as a 3 dollar bill.
Posted by: TruckIt! | May 16, 2007 1:29:17 AM
It's funny, because Ron Paul seems to always get the least amount of air time, but he almost always gets the victory. It's because his message rings true for the true majority. His supporters are the Americans that have done their homework on what the real issues are. It really is wonderful. The mainstream media can't hide the freedom message forever.
Ron Paul FTW!!!
Posted by: Joseph Arrington | May 16, 2007 1:34:48 AM
Ron Paul won the first GOP debate also and anyone who watched the debate knows it.
MSNBC Lying:
http://buenosairesenglish.blogspot.com/2007/05/why-is-msnbc-lying.html http://majorityrights.com/index.php/weblog/comments/ron_paul_demolishes_other_republicans_in_online_polls/
ABC tried to hide Ron Paul victory also:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/BeSeenBeHeard/popup?id=3135373
CSPAN Has Ron Paul victory:
Posted by: abitarecatania | May 16, 2007 1:39:42 AM
Which is it Rudy,
if we attacked Iraq because Al-qaida was there, then doesn't that mean Al-qaida was there BEFORE 9/11???
If not then why did we attack Iraq?
Terrorism does not occur in a vacuum.
When was the last time sqitzerland got attacked? They're free, democratic and rich, so why was it us instead??
Posted by: Mick | May 16, 2007 1:53:20 AM
I thought as a whole it was a very good debate. Much better than the first one and I did not expect that from Fox News. On that note, Ron Paul was the only person to stand up and say what everyone is thinking. I really hope they give him a chance because he is a light at the end of a very very dark tunnel.
Posted by: Phil | May 16, 2007 2:46:20 AM
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Sunday, May 13, 2007
ABC Plays stupid.....
This message is from the ABCNews.com Editorial team: This afternoon a reader of this site let us know that there was a problem with posting comments to this story. We had our technical team take a look and we believe that we have solved the problem. Thank you for being patient and thank you for letting us know about the problem.
As you can see from the below posts, this is an obvious lie. I have personally called ABC many times over the past week demanding answers and I was given responces such as "It is just one person so we are deleting" or " it was a glitch in the system." Fnyy though that this story is the ONLY one on the entire site that had this problem.
ABC I call you out. I have the evidence on this very site to prove you wrong. Tell us the truth!
We demand to know WHY you are keeping us from people like Ron Paul and Mike Gravel.
Wednesday, May 9, 2007
comments from ABC
ok so i decided to post all comments from ABC since they are deleting them for your pleasure. this is the first batch i cought before a sweep Here is the link to the story
UPDATE may 11th they put comments back up with a little lie....
UPDATE may 11th they put comments back up with a little lie....
Ron paul, while i do not like as much as Mike Gravel are not getting their fair share. They are the only ones who are standing up for the american people. People in other countries around the world are all telling me what a great person he is. we need a guy like paul or gravel in 08. about time the comments are back, ill copy them again just in case pmalloy.blogspot.com if you wanna see the old comments and screenshots as proof of ABC censorship
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
Ron Paul effect? Could it be just maybe this is a guy to pay attention to? Come on, the war monger McCain or the democrat in Rupublican clothing Guillani. These are not any kind of options. Ron Paul is the only one that rings true with people. In stead of playing down this real candidate maybe ABC News could start paying attention to what the people are saying. As far as a couple of Ron Paul supporters casting 1000s of votes, wouldn't MSNBC use any sort of IP tracking? This concept seems very unlikely and really bad journalism to include in an article. Get with it ABC, Ron Paul is coming and we (the people) will lose what little respect is left for ABC after the whole swallowing hook, line and sinker on the WMDs thing a couple of years ago if these sorts of articles is all you can run about a very real candidate.
Posted by:
davann41
Memo to cfountain: the media is deliberately manipulating the election and we're not going to shut up about it. Tim Russert today said he's going to interview all the "major" candidates on Meet the Press. That means what? I bet you 100% it doesn't mean Ron Paul even though Ron Paul is leading in most polls and he has raised more campaign funds in
Posted by:
healthyandpositive 3:
StealGeorgia, I'm sorry your perception is so wrong.
Posted by:
dwdollar
Memo to Paul Fans: Can we please stop villifying the media? It sounds incredibly whiny, and will garner no support from anyone outside of the Libertarian mainstream. Let's focus on what makes Paul unique, and how important his vision is to the future of
Posted by:
cfountain72
But usually libertarians remind me of the smart #### skinny guy that stands behind the bully in the schoolyard egging the bully on.
Posted by:
StealGeorgia 11:28 AM
I'll vote for whomever the dem turns out to be... unless its between this guy and Hilary. He doesn't look that bad to me.
Posted by:
StealGeorgia 11:25 AM
Let`s face it "Media People",your day`s are over as far as getting away with all of your lies and deceptions. You people are more of a "Comedy Show" than a new`s agency. Does "Murdock" own you also? How do you keep your "Anti-American Way`s" form your own children?
Posted by:
jcalex2
The man is catching on all over the net and folks are talking everywhere about him. People are listening and waking up. When is Ron Paul going to get a interview ABC??....I think alot of folks would like to hear more of what hes got to say for sure. RON PAUL 2008
Posted by:
JamesHjusthere May-12
You call it "viral marketing". I call it the will of the people. Could it be that the American voters are sick of the status quo politicians, on both sides that all seem to be pushing for the same thing...one world government? Ron Paul is the last great hope that we have to save this once great nation. Help restore the Constitution & sanity in
Posted by:
jkjohnsontx May-12
ABC, how can you say all the statistics are false why your own voting survey has 17,000 our of 20,000 declaring Ron Paul the winner of the Thursday debate?
Posted by:
oceanhappy May-12
Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate that cares about the US Constitution and your rights. Count in one more voice who thinks that, at least on the Republican side of the race, Ron Paul should win.
Posted by:
andrewpbrown May-12
Before the boundaries of my Congressional district were redrawn, I had the honor to vote for (and be represented by) Ron Paul. He is one of the few members of Congress that actually understands and respects the U.S. Constitution. I wholeheartedly support his run for president. I do not expect any favorable media coverage of Ron Paul. The MSM is an integral part of the corporatist empire, and Paul's commitment to the Constitution makes him an enemy of the Ministry of Truth.
Posted by:
Ampleforth May-12
I had never noticed Ron Paul before the debate. In that setting, amidst the mealy-mouthed field of Republican hopefuls, he caught MY attention and I've since been reading and Googling further to form a clearer impression of his politics. You may be mistaken in thinking a viral assault on your poll produced unexpected results. Is it too inconceivable that people were watching that debate and found themselves surprised by one candidate's candor and intelligence? I am not a Republican - but I am grateful that someone is authentically expressing the Republican point of view.
Posted by:
avatarmeherbaba May-12
Look at the ad to the right. Obama wants to be YOUR president and is going to be interviewed on ABC. When is ABC going to place a big ad with Ron Paul's face on it and interview him on a Sunday show?
Posted by:
healthyandpositive May-12
Please stop deciding what people want. You're missing a true phenomenon of the electorate awakening and gearing up to vote with passion again... something they've been aching to do for their entire lives.
Posted by:
WingFFing May-12
To PublicMailbox: My question to you is whether people would be questioning IP addresses and how many times people voted if Giuliani or McCain had won the online polls? It sickens me to no end that you and others in the media think it's impossible that Ron Paul appeals to many, many people. I know Democrats and Republicans who adore the man. My 65 year old parents who have been staunch Bush supporters and have been pro-war until now are enamored with Ron Paul and plan to vote for him. Guess why? Because Bush and the other so-called conservatives are creating open borders and letting illegal immigrants get away with things that American citizens aren't allowed to do. So for all you media types, please realize that Republicans and not just LIbertarians are #### to Ron Paul because of his stance on the border (for one thing). I hate to break it to you, but it's not just Libertarians voting in these polls. You are deluding yourself if you think so. If Bush had pardoned Ramos and Campios (sp?) maybe it would be a different story. Bush lost the election for all Republicans except Ron Paul by his lack of action on the border.
Posted by:
healthyandpositive May-12
What evidence does RICK KLEIN have that the polls were rigged by repeat voting from Ron Paul supporters? And, what difference was there in the MSNBC poll right before the debate with expected results and after the debate where Ron Paul came out the winner.Was the MSNBC poll suddenly rigged after the debate and not before? Looks like a blatant attempt by ABC news and RICK KLEIN to spin opinion.
Posted by:
freedomring1000 May-12
I find it very disturbing that you would insult the intelligence of the American voter. The country does not want Hilliary Clinton, John McCain or the alleged 911 hero. Ron Paul is the real deal.
Posted by:
gstyles22 May-12
The author of this article clearly neglects to mention the significant fact that the MSNBC poll restricted voters to one vote per IP address.....and that the Democratic debate poll had a similar participation rate to the Republican poll. If the author is going to insinuate the poll results were tampered with, don't you think he should explain what lead him to that conclusion? I'm not saying the MSNBC poll results are of great significance, but I think a more intelligent and objective analysis of the MSNBC internet voter demographics would have been a more appropriate discussion....and that ABC made a poor decision to publish this article as it was. This whole episode clearly demonstrates why we can't trust a handful of major media corporations to freely and fairly report the news......and how they can abuse their power to shape perception. We desperately need constitutional reform, campaign finance reform, fiscal reform, and foreign policy reform. I don't see one other Republicrat who I would trust to honestly and objectively pursue the policies for the better good of the American people. I think Dr. Paul could could appeal to a lot of people like me who left the Republican Party to vote for Reform with Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996.....and have continued to distance themselves more as the moral authoritarians have become more entrenched in the Republican Party.
Posted by:
Reform4US May-12
IMO the first mainstream media network to stop ignoring Ron Paul will be viewed as heroes.
Posted by:
Jomel1977 May-12
Alright i will take v's advice I can't really wait for the 15th this is going to be great!!!!:D:D:D:D I mean Ron Paul isnt getting much coverage on Mainstream Media, but On the internet, and STILL he is doing very well. It does,however, make me mad how websites are censoring other websites such as prison planet. Like Paul said, There should be a different way to regualte what goes on the internet , not FULLY controlling it. We can do that by fighting for Net Neutrality,but from the looks of it, it's getting late. I support Ron Paul all the way and I am getting the word around about him. The best way we can do that is by simply posting banners about his website, or getting people to realize WHO he is and WHAT he believes in. What I mean by this, most people where I live don't care about this umm...call it "Wonderland", we have to get involved and speak to anyone we know, about Ron Paul. RON PAUL 2008!!!!
Posted by:
Vote_4_Paul May-12
I am well aware of what they did. They are deleting your post because you are just copying and pasting rhetoric and links from websites, write what you feel and relate it to their actions or the article itself.
Posted by:
VForVendettaCheese May-12
We are only 4 days away from Ron Paul's next debate slam dunk. There will be tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people watching how ABC, and the MSM as a whole, reports it. If there is any more "technical glitches" you can expect the word of mouth and Ron Paul support to grow expotentionally.
Posted by:
piyrwljg May-11
I am a registered democrat from
Posted by:
anonymuscoward May-11
Ron Paul is a rock star..the people LOVE him.. Get on board ABC. The combined enthusiasm of the other 9 is dwarfed by Dr. Paul. Ron Paul is the 900 lb gorilla amongst spider monkeys. You want readers/viewers? Talk about Ron Paul!
Posted by:
piyrwljg May-11
Ron Paul is the modern day Cincinnatus. Go Ron Paul!
Posted by:
miketoles May-11
Please get your facts straight! Ron Paul NEVER said that he was going to "abolish" the IRS. He agreed with Pete from
Posted by:
bendaio May-11
I know who lost the debate: Chris Matthews. He wasn't one of the candidates you say? EXACTLY. Next time keep your biased opinions to yourself please.
Posted by:
ardarvin May-11
Technical problems do happen. I have seen entire threads vanish on Blogger sites when comments come in too fast. Give ABC a break until it happens again. BTW- I just put a huge "Ron Paul Revolution" sign on my work truck. Getting plenty of thumbs-up and honks.
Posted by:
abcolin May-11
ABC, I watched as you deleted all the comments don't lie to us.
Posted by:
dwdollar May-11
This message is from the ABCNews.com Editorial team: This afternoon a reader of this site let us know that there was a problem with posting comments to this story. We had our technical team take a look and we believe that we have solved the problem. Thank you for being patient and thank you for letting us know about the problem.
Posted by:
ABCNewsEditorial May-11
They will probably delete this whole article soon and tell us we never saw it.
Posted by:
dwdollar 4:37 AM
im gonn astart copying every comment into a word file and post them up as they get deleted
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
Ron Paul is a libertarian and a laissez-faire capitalist.
Posted by:
libertarian4ronpaul2008
They keep deleting my posts that expose their dishonest tactics and that "The Ron Paul Effect" does NOT APPEAR in Google search results in the form of his article. They LEAVE "Allison"'s posts, however. I wonder why that could be...
Posted by:
bleuefemme 4:35 AM
"Because things are the way they are, things will not stay the way they are."-Bertolt Brecht
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:35 AM
ABC, like the RIAA and all other clueless corporations, thinks it they can have it both ways. Well, let's see how many minimum wage peons you have to hire to stop the truth from coming out. Either this forum allows us to be heard or it should not exist at all.
Posted by:
ajp91750
Alisson --- This is a republic. Were you one of those children left behind?
Posted by:
CoolHandLuke1970
The problem here ABC is not that this is some "internet anomaly" it is about truth. About standing up for truth in government and standing up for your convictions. Sure all of what Ron Paul stands for would be hard tasks to be completed in even 4 years of a presidency. Besides that if he did he most likely would be assassinated as other presidents have who have stood up to the NWO/Globalists. It sure would be worth it to try. So this is underground under rated as the MSM will not help in the quest for TRUTH! God bless Ron Paul!!
Posted by:
AmerikaisLost 4:33 AM
Will you shut up about REVOLUTION? This is a legal Democracy not some fascist crackpot idiot state. VOTE for RON PAUL, get that through your head and start to be supportive of free speech and talk on the issues Americans are concerned about.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:32 AM
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/sets/72157600195032824/ screenshots
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
VOTE for RON PAUL. Democracy is the the best thing to change this nation for the better.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:30 AM
Yeah, keep taking screenshots people! This battle could be huge and very worthwhile! Lets be creative but stick to our morals. What I really appreciate about Ron Paul supporters is 1) compared to Spurious George and his supporters they are lterate!!! 2) They are real people that can think for themselves and express themselves well 3) They are not duped by smear tactics like those used by some of the posters here! LONG LIVE THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!!
Posted by:
CoolHandLuke1970
"If you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always gotten." -Anon.
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:29 AM
Even Jew agent of Stormfront member - http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/abc-now-removes-all-posts-386868.html - Loki1488 can keep screaming REVOLUTION but not talk about race in true Bolshevik fashion.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:29 AM
For anyone visiting this page for the first time, remember this. There are people commenting here that have a vested interest in discrediting Ron Paul. They use carefully crafted techniques in order to discredit him and his advocates. The most popular of which is posing like a Ron Paul supporter. These techniques have the unfortunate effect of sucking in naive yet well-intentioned people into ridiculous arguments that detract from the main point, hoping that these peoples' missteps will help further discredit Dr. Paul. Pay no attention to any ludicrous statements and instead perform objective research and come to your own conclusions.
Posted by:
libertarian4ronpaul2008
allison will you drop it, no one buys into your rubbish and you are the reason that this keeps getting deleted
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
The message I posted a few minutes ago was deleted. This is absolutely outrageous. Whoever doing this is going to have their boss screaming at them tomorrow after I've called ABC. STOP DELETING MY COMMENTS.
Posted by:
SheLLev 4:27 AM
Everybody knows the Jewish Supremacists run ABC News. All we have to do is get out on the internet with Por-Ron Paul words and messages on boards and VOTE for RON PAUL.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:27 AM
I think we all should forget this thread, forget ABC/Disney and NEVER view/purchase another ABC/Disney program/product ever again. Goodbye
Posted by:
sheLovesG 4:27 AM
mariereiher.blogspot.com ABC ARTICLE DISAPPEARED FROM GOOGLE RESULTS
Posted by:
bleuefemme 4:26 AM
ABC news is taking them offline and archiving them. It is how politics and public perception is controlled.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:25 AM
I should clarify, whoever is deleting posts is adding fuel to the fire.
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:24 AM
I think Ron Paul is the most sensible center moderate candidtate we have this coming election.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:24 AM
some names are dated but the main contacts are good, play with the others if you like ABC ABC News Headquarters Address 147 Columbus Ave New York, NY 10023 Tel 212-456-1000 (DC Bureau 202-222-7777) Fax 212-456-5962 Letters comments@abcnews.go.com ABC News Washington Bureau Address 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington DC 20036 Tel 202-222-7300 Fax 202-222-7684 DC Bureau Chief Robin Sproul robin.sproul@abc.com 202-222-7200 World News Tonight with Peter Jennings Tel 212-456-4040 Fax 212-456-2795 Letters netaudr@abc.com Anchor Peter Jennings peter.jennings@abc.com 212-456-4025 Executive Producer Paul Friedman paul.friedman@abc.com Nightline Address 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington DC 20036 Tel 202-222-7000 Fax 202-222-7976 Letters niteline@abc.com Anchor Ted Koppel ted.koppel@abc.com 202-222-7364 Executive Producer Tom Bettag tom.bettag@abc.com 20/20 Address 147 Columbus Ave, New York NY 10023 Tel 212-456-2020 Fax 212-456-0533/1470 Letters 2020@abc.com Anchors Barbara Walters barbara.walters@abc.com 212-456-7050 , Sam Donaldson sam.donaldson@abc.com , Good Morning America Address 147 Columbus Ave, New York NY 10023 Tel 212-456-5900 Fax 212-456-7257/7290 Letters netaudr@abc.com Anchors Charles Gibson charles.gibson@abc.com , Diane Sawyer diane.sawyer@abc.com
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
I agree, certainly adding fuel to the fire.
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:23 AM
The Bolsheviks wanted a REVOLUTION but didn't want to talk about Race. Ron Paul is for Democracy where people can talk about race and
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:23 AM
What has ABC deleted over a thousand comments supporting RON PAUL now?
Posted by:
CoolHandLuke1970
I'm calling ABC tomorrow.
Posted by:
dwdollar 4:20 AM
If you do not know what is going on and would like to see some of the comments before they got deleted http://pmalloy.blogspot.com/ full account of the situation, contact information. Use it to prove to ABC that we are not all one person. If they get calls from individuals they will know we are serious
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
For anyone visiting this page for the first time, remember this. There are people commenting here that have a vested interest in discrediting Ron Paul. They use carefully crafted techniques in order to discredit him and his advocates. These techniques have the unfortunate effect of sucking in naive yet well-intentioned people into ridiculous arguments that detract from the main point, hoping that these peoples' missteps will help further discredit Dr. Paul. Pay no attention to any ludicrous statements and instead perform objective research and come to your own conclusions.
Posted by:
libertarian4ronpaul2008
pmalloy has the right idea just keep taking screenshots. The game is on.
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:20 AM
Did anyone see what Barbara Walters said on the View the other day? They were talking about the Republican debate and they talked about Giuliani and Romney. Then Barbara said something like, "Who were all those other people? Can anyone run these days?" Uh, yes Barbara! Anyone can run! That's how
Posted by:
boycott-abc 4:40 AM
"The death of dogma is the birth of reality." -Immanuel Kant
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:40 AM
Having decided to play Devils' Advocate concerning this censorship thing, I did a little experiment: I went to the Paris Hilton story on their Homepage to see how many posts it had and for how long. When I checked about 10 minutes ago (it is now
Posted by:
timetraveler2054
In a Democracy people can talk about race. Only in fascist Bolshevist Jewish terror states are people brow beaten into not talking about race. This country was founded by White Men not Pancho Vill and a bunch of Mestizos and Jews. Sorry if that offends you 24 yr. old. Jew controllers wtaching this web board live. You even are watching our comments live as they are typed. We are watching you too. But Democracy is about Freedom of Speech.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:41 AM
"A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying... that he is wiser today than yesterday." -Jonathan Swift
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:43 AM
Vhat? You don't like the Suprise Soup? I died in the Holocuast six times. They gassed me seven times. You doubt my Suprise Soup? How dare you!
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:42 AM
guys your starting to get off topic now we need to not look like wackos .... like allison....
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
mariereiher.blogspot.com ABC ARTICLE DISAPPEARED FROM GOOGLE RESULTS - I love that. Jews on spin control madness.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:44 AM
Paris Hilton for president
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:44 AM
If ABC would apologize and explain in an open and honest way, I might be able to respect them again. Deleting comments willy-nilly is not he way to gain respect. Since no mainstream American newspapers will tell the public what has happened here, we have had to go to international newspapers. They are very happy to report about censorship of election coverage in
Posted by:
boycott-abc 4:49 AM
Go to hell ABC. I'll vote for Ron Paul if I have to write him on the ballot with my own blood.
Posted by:
dwdollar 4:49 AM
Truely Orwellian this is. This guy thinks he works for the ministry of love. I wonder if they have even read the book. Perhaps ABC has just put their pet chicken near a delete key and a timed release pelet falls every so often. That way noone has to take responsibility it was all the chickens fault. Oh wait never mind ABC is incorporated they are responsible to no one.
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:50 AM
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Great Idea time traveler. Come on every one lets fill up the comments on all thier stories about the cencor ship of ron paul. ABC is losing in the information war,,,,, Losers!!!
Posted by:
sbizoo 4:50 AM
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Great Idea time traveler. Come on every one lets fill up the comments on all thier stories about the cencor ship of ron paul. ABC is losing in the information war,,,,, Losers!!!
Posted by:
sbizoo 4:50 AM
Truely Orwellian this is. This guy thinks he works for the ministry of love. I wonder if they have even read the book. Perhaps ABC has just put their pet chicken near a delete key and a timed release pelet falls every so often. That way noone has to take responsibility it was all the chickens fault. Oh wait never mind ABC is incorporated they are responsible to no one.
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 4:50 AM
*note the comments getting deleted
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anyone else notice they JUST added some ads to the page. now they wanna make money on us while burying us
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
Libertarianism is a philosophy that individuals are the owners of themselves and have the right to do anything they want as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. With this understanding it is imperative to understand that all actions should be voluntary. Laissez-faire capitalism is the economic theory of free markets. It is the idea that markets should not be interfered with by governments. Government interference only empowers monopolists by crushing their competition with regulations before it has a chance to grow organically. Ron Paul supports both concepts.
Posted by:
libertarian4ronpaul2008
LOL, DemosthenesIII, ain't that the truth.
Posted by:
dwdollar 4:52 AM
VOTE for RON PAUL. Why? Because he doesn't put
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:52 AM
40 Comments | Add Yours
For anyone visiting this page for the first time, remember this. There are people commenting here that have a vested interest in discrediting Ron Paul. They use carefully crafted techniques in order to discredit him and his advocates. The most popular of which is posing like a Ron Paul supporter. These techniques have the unfortunate effect of sucking in naive yet well-intentioned people into ridiculous arguments that detract from the main point, hoping that these peoples' missteps will help further discredit Dr. Paul. Pay no attention to any ludicrous statements and instead perform objective research and come to your own conclusions.
Posted by:
libertarian4ronpaul2008
40 Comments | Add Yours
The comment by Alisson is completely ridiculous in it's prejudice and detracts from the true nature of this discussion. I think it is well established by those who have the wherewithal to think for ourselves that Mr. Paul was the clear winner of the debate.
Posted by:
Cutter4444
Ron Paul is a Democratic candidate, he does not support closure of Free Speech. He is a 1st Amendment supporter. I'm sure the enemies of free speech would like the Jew Chertoff's Soviet style "Homeland Security" NKVD to put all political dissenters in the Gulags. Ron Paul is aginst that, Ron is for the 1st Amendment. VOTE for RON PAUL. Vote for Democracy.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 4:55 AM
Ron Paul wants to get rid of all the filthy mexiCANTS and restore
Posted by:
StormFrontWPWW 4:56 AM
cant make it go away now comments saved before purge http://pmalloy.blogspot.com/2007/05/comments-from-abc.html
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
In a Democracy people can talk about race. Only in fascist Bolshevist Jewish terror states are people brow beaten into not talking about race. This country was founded by White Men not Pancho Villa and a bunch of Mestizos and Jews, those are facts not opinon. Sorry if that offends you 24 yr. old. Jew controllers wtaching this web board live. You even are watching our comments live as they are typed. We are watching you too. But Democracy is about Freedom of Speech.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 5:00 AM
it feels so goooood when you delete me!
Posted by:
boycott-abc 4:59 AM
Nothing like a clean board.
Posted by:
dwdollar 4:59 AM
you're quick tonight, ABC deleters! delete me! please delete me now! oh yes, give it to me baby!
Posted by:
boycott-abc 4:59 AM
2 Comments | Add Yours
For anyone visiting this page for the first time, remember this. There are people commenting here that have a vested interest in discrediting Ron Paul. They use carefully crafted techniques in order to discredit him and his advocates. The most popular of which is posing like a Ron Paul supporter in between comment deletions. These techniques have the unfortunate effect of sucking in naive yet well-intentioned people into ridiculous arguments that detract from the main point, hoping that these peoples' missteps will help further discredit Dr. Paul. Pay no attention to any ludicrous statements and instead perform objective research and come to your own conclusions.
Posted by:
libertarian4ronpaul2008
They can't even count - 48 comments and I only see 5. I'd rather ABC be stupid than tyrannical..
Posted by:
ajp91750
a fresh start. ahhhhhhh. nothing like a whitewashed board to get the juices flowing.
Posted by:
boycott-abc 5:00 AM
not i just thought of it so im doing it by hand, if anyone else has the time to set up a script do it
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
> http://pmalloy.blogspot.com/2007/05/comments-from-abc.html Nice. Is that an automated script?
Posted by:
ajp91750
Ron Paul wants to get rid of all the filthy mexiCANTS and restore
Posted by:
StormFrontWPWW 5:
Vhat you don't like my Suprise Soup? I was gassed seven times in the Holohoax. How dare you doubt my stories and suprise soup.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 5:
I'm going to send an email to the BBC as a story suggestion about this.
Posted by:
dwdollar 5:
Libertarianism is a philosophy that individuals are the owners of themselves and have the right to do anything they want as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. With this understanding it is imperative to understand that all actions should be voluntary. Laissez-faire capitalism is the economic theory of free markets. It is the idea that markets should not be interfered with by governments. Government interference only empowers monopolists by crushing their competition with regulations before it has a chance to grow organically. Ron Paul supports both libertarianism and laissez-faire capitalism.
Posted by:
libertarian4ronpaul2008
For anyone visiting this page for the first time, remember this. There are people commenting here that have a vested interest in discrediting Ron Paul. They use carefully crafted techniques in order to discredit him and his advocates. The most popular of which is posing like a Ron Paul supporter in between comment deletions. This poster uses words like REVOLUTION and tries to delete talk about race, Israeli Jewish racial State, Greater Israel, PNAC Iraq War. These techniques have the unfortunate effect of sucking in naive yet well-intentioned people into ridiculous arguments that detract from the main point, hoping that these peoples' missteps will help further discredit Dr. Paul. Pay no attention to any ludicrous statements and instead perform objective research and come to your own conclusions.
Posted by:
AlissonWhalley 5:
Please. I know it's frustrating, but let's stay on the subject. Let's keep on the High Road. It's so sad to see this happening in
Posted by:
timetraveler2054
I am here as a person to let people know that Ron Paul is a good guy. He is the only republican running as a true conservitive. Please give him a chance people
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
What I'd like to see is to create enough links to a non-ABC site so that when someone Googles "ABC News", it points to another site that describes their censorship of the Ron Paul Effect comments. Any SEO experts out there?
Posted by:
ajp91750
A few of us are awake and aware and I think they are surprised by that. They didn't realize that there were still Americans who can't be manipulated. They thought they had us all licked. Well there are some of us who don't drink the fluoridated water and still have our brains intact.
Posted by:
boycott-abc 5:
The Jew controls the banks, the media, the government, AMERICA IS TRULY A ZIONIST OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT. THE JEW IS A FILTHY RACE THAT SEEKS TO DESTROY PURE WHITE PEOPLE! Ron Paul may not be a white supremacist, but he's willing to shutdown the border so the filthy mexiCANT beaners can't cross anymore! IT'S A START! ALL NON-WHITE FOREIGNERS OUT OF
Posted by:
StormFrontWPWW 5:
For anyone visiting this page for the first time, remember this. There are people commenting here that have a vested interest in discrediting Ron Paul. They use carefully crafted techniques in order to discredit him and his advocates. The most popular of which is posing like a Ron Paul supporter in between the comment buries. Defacing individuals' posts using racial slurs is also quite popular. These techniques have the unfortunate effect of sucking in naive yet well-intentioned people into ridiculous arguments that detract from the main point, hoping that these peoples' missteps will help further discredit Dr. Paul. Pay no attention to any ludicrous statements and instead perform objective research and come to your own conclusions.
Posted by:
libertarian4ronpaul2008
Get the word out. Bring this story to the foreign media. I am writing the BBC.
Posted by:
dwdollar 5:
http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/contact/media.asp contact info for many news outlets
Posted by:
pmalloy4399
ajp, that's a great idea. what we need to do is get many blogs and sites to point to a site exposing ABC's censorship with the words "ABC news" in the anchor text. that's called Google bombing and it will work.
Posted by:
boycott-abc 5:
Isn't it sad that we have to resort to foreign media to have our voices heard? In the former
Posted by:
boycott-abc 5:
Someone post my idea (I hereby put it in the public domain :-)) over on digg, asking for instructions to influence Google rankings. I'm no SEO expert, but I can post and comment on blogs. Thanks.
Posted by:
ajp91750
Stormfront is using abusive language and generalizations to discredit this thread for those who are really interested in this candidate and what he stands for. It is surely obvious to most that have posted here that there is a concerted effort by many individuals to blemish the image of an untarnished Mr. Paul who came out of this debate as the clear victor.
Posted by:
Cutter4444
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"It takes leaders to grow other leaders." --Ray Blunt
Posted by:
DemosthenesIII 5:13 AM
I urge everyone to go to house.gov/paul and read Paul's speeches and newsletters to see what he is about. He's an incredible gift of liberty for this nation. Watch "Freedom to Fascism" and "The Money Masters" on Google Video to understand how far from liberty this country has fallen.
Posted by:
kenlangston 5:13 AM
Libertarianism is a philosophy that all individuals, regardless of race, are the owners of themselves and have the right to do anything they want as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. With this understanding it is imperative to understand that all actions should be voluntary. Laissez-faire capitalism is the economic theory of free markets. It is the idea that markets should not be interfered with by governments. Government interference only empowers monopolists by crushing their competition with regulations before it has a chance to grow organically. Ron Paul supports both libertarianism and laissez-faire capitalism.
Posted by:
libertarian4ronpaul2008
Here anyone can see that there were 200+ comments here ad they got deleted, unless this comment gets deleted first. http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490856439/
Posted by:
manixrock 5:13 AM
MY very own number (copyright)
0D B2 3D C5 23 58 4D 70 E8 94 67 A4 10 31 A9 89
what is this? Why it is MY very own copyrighted number. Thats right I OWN this number according the the DMCA. If anyone is using this number for any reason, I can send them a DMCA takedown notice just like AACS did with the HD-DVD Hex code.
Google this and if any responces show up than its time for me to start issuing takedown notices!
It will be extremely funny if by some chance this code happens to be used by AACS in the future :)
how we won the ABC Ron paul issue
UPDATE 4:00 am
looks like i jumped the gun, all comments are gone again
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490978436/
UPDATE: 12:50 AM
I made my last update at around 4:30 PM and made a post. Currently the posts have remained. Its still early but it looks like we won!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490856439/
Well i have 2 ideas. The first idea is that we won. Personally i have been making phone calls all day long and I know many others have been also. So far in the past month we have gotten Ron Paul AND Mike Gravel into the debates, We have called out Yahoo to update their site to include Ron Paul, We have told the MPAA to go fuck themselves and Kevin From Digg.com Caved to us. And now it looks like we got ABC to cave.
The other less apealing opption is that 4:30 when the comments were left alone is just when the IT department goes home. So far so good Lets keep up the good work and use our power for good.
looks like i jumped the gun, all comments are gone again
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490978436/
UPDATE: 12:50 AM
I made my last update at around 4:30 PM and made a post. Currently the posts have remained. Its still early but it looks like we won!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490856439/
Well i have 2 ideas. The first idea is that we won. Personally i have been making phone calls all day long and I know many others have been also. So far in the past month we have gotten Ron Paul AND Mike Gravel into the debates, We have called out Yahoo to update their site to include Ron Paul, We have told the MPAA to go fuck themselves and Kevin From Digg.com Caved to us. And now it looks like we got ABC to cave.
The other less apealing opption is that 4:30 when the comments were left alone is just when the IT department goes home. So far so good Lets keep up the good work and use our power for good.
Tuesday, May 8, 2007
ABC News activly censoring users
UPDATE: 12:50 AM
I made my last update at around 4:30 PM and made a post. Currently the posts have remained. Its still early but it looks like we won!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490856439/
use the next link to add your comment
/update
Last night we saw ABC news censoring its users
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comments?type=story&id=3147940
AS I am writting this they are still activly erasing comments
I made this post last night
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=489500622
As you can see there are 278 posts at the time (about 230 am eastern)
Now it is 4:43 PM eastern
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490347339/
as you can see there are 15 comments and none are being shown
UPDATE : 9:20 PM
had to create a new user name because they blocked mine from posting comments.. was my comment out of line?? (the 1st link)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490617276/
SOME numbers may be dated but let the network know!
I made my last update at around 4:30 PM and made a post. Currently the posts have remained. Its still early but it looks like we won!!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490856439/
use the next link to add your comment
/update
Last night we saw ABC news censoring its users
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/comments?type=story&id=3147940
AS I am writting this they are still activly erasing comments
I made this post last night
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=489500622
As you can see there are 278 posts at the time (about 230 am eastern)
Now it is 4:43 PM eastern
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490347339/
as you can see there are 15 comments and none are being shown
UPDATE : 9:20 PM
had to create a new user name because they blocked mine from posting comments.. was my comment out of line?? (the 1st link)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/490617276/
SOME numbers may be dated but let the network know!
ABC
ABC News Headquarters
Address 147 Columbus Ave New York, NY 10023
Tel 212-456-1000 (DC Bureau 202-222-7777)
Fax 212-456-5962
Letters comments@abcnews.go.com
ABC News Washington Bureau
Address 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington DC 20036
Tel 202-222-7300
Fax 202-222-7684
DC Bureau Chief Robin Sproul robin.sproul@abc.com 202-222-7200
World News Tonight with Peter Jennings
Tel 212-456-4040
Fax 212-456-2795
Letters netaudr@abc.com
Anchor Peter Jennings peter.jennings@abc.com 212-456-4025
Executive Producer Paul Friedman paul.friedman@abc.com
Nightline
Address 1717 DeSales St NW, Washington DC 20036
Tel 202-222-7000
Fax 202-222-7976
Letters niteline@abc.com
Anchor Ted Koppel ted.koppel@abc.com 202-222-7364
Executive Producer Tom Bettag tom.bettag@abc.com
20/20
Address 147 Columbus Ave, New York NY 10023
Tel 212-456-2020
Fax 212-456-0533/1470
Letters 2020@abc.com
Anchors Barbara Walters barbara.walters@abc.com
212-456-7050 , Sam Donaldson sam.donaldson@abc.com ,
Good Morning America
Address 147 Columbus Ave, New York NY 10023
Tel 212-456-5900
Fax 212-456-7257/7290
Letters netaudr@abc.com
Anchors Charles Gibson charles.gibson@abc.com ,
Diane Sawyer diane.sawyer@abc.com Thursday, May 3, 2007
The magic Number is useless... What does this mean for us??
As you read in my previous post, there was a revolt of sorts concerning a number. The number is an unlock code for HD-DVD AACS protection. To put it simple, With this code (and some tech knowledge) you can copy and backup your discs. To the consumer this means you can watch your product on whatever means you wish whereas the studios want you locked in as if you are renting the disc. This number has been available on the net since February. HOWEVER: this number has been useless as of April 23rd.
What does this mean legally to those who were apart of the revolt and posted said number? Let me begin with IANAL (I am not a lawyer) This piece is just intended to spark discussion.
IF this number was in fact rendered useless on a date before the posting of the numbers, how can one be legally held responsible for a number for a product that is in fact not a valid number? The number was removed from discs as of april 23rd meaning this number is a dated number and all discs made ofter that date will not use this number (my guess is we will have the new number found within the month but thats another story)
So my question to those of you out there is can one get in legal hot water for posting a string of numbers that do nothing at this point?
What does this mean legally to those who were apart of the revolt and posted said number? Let me begin with IANAL (I am not a lawyer) This piece is just intended to spark discussion.
IF this number was in fact rendered useless on a date before the posting of the numbers, how can one be legally held responsible for a number for a product that is in fact not a valid number? The number was removed from discs as of april 23rd meaning this number is a dated number and all discs made ofter that date will not use this number (my guess is we will have the new number found within the month but thats another story)
So my question to those of you out there is can one get in legal hot water for posting a string of numbers that do nothing at this point?
Wednesday, May 2, 2007
Digg gets dugg
click on the box for picEveryone knows what it is. T shirts are on the way. It's Sixteen hexadecimal digits that unlock most currently released HD-DVD movies from the AACS content protection system. These sixteen digits that have been seen by millions, posted in blogs all over -- and in many cases, removed only to be reposted -- that they're hard to avoid.
IT all started with this man, Cory Doctorow with his blog "Pwned: How everyone on campus is a copyright criminal" was served a C&C and caved in. They were posted to Wikipedia, then removed and currently the blog wiki is locked. Then it was time for digg. For a few days now the number had been floating around harmlessly. Than a post hit the front page and was taken down and a user ended up getting banned. (probably more at this point)
Now the funny thing is by trying to supress the numbers, all that happened was that more people actually saw them. Lets look at it like this 1 story is off the front page usually within the hour at peak times in the day. By causing this coup it has been on the front page in every story all day long. Perhaps kevin knows what he is doing. Perhaps he is playing nice with them while fully expecting this to happen? By now more people have seen this key than they would have and i bet someone out there will digg up the stats to back up this claim, look at normal top story topics in a day vs Digg all day on may 1st 2007. I will almost put money on the fact that more people have seen this story.
UPDATE 1:45 A.M Eastern.
Digg has decided they had enough, take a look for yourselves.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/84796146@N00/480981075/
UPDATE: 2:36 AM Digg is back up, and the numers are still rampant with pissed off diggers.
UPDATE 2:45 Kevin, the founder of Digg.com made a statement
"
Today was an insane day. And as the founder of Digg, I just wanted to post my thoughts…
In building and shaping the site I’ve always tried to stay as hands on as possible. We’ve always given site moderation (digging/burying) power to the community. Occasionally we step in to remove stories that violate our terms of use (eg. linking to pornography, illegal downloads, racial hate sites, etc.). So today was a difficult day for us. We had to decide whether to remove stories containing a single code based on a cease and desist declaration. We had to make a call, and in our desire to avoid a scenario where Digg would be interrupted or shut down, we decided to comply and remove the stories with the code.
But now, after seeing hundreds of stories and reading thousands of comments, you’ve made it clear. You’d rather see Digg go down fighting than bow down to a bigger company. We hear you, and effective immediately we won’t delete stories or comments containing the code and will deal with whatever the consequences might be.
If we lose, then what the hell, at least we died trying.
Digg on,
Kevin"
could this be the beginning of something great?? =or the death of a great site. only time will tell.
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